It’s an interesting time to be a “stock” racer at the moment. Main focus is on the speedie now rather than in previous years where flavour of the month has been on motors or batteries.
The latest generation of speedies are producing much more speed than anything we have ever had before – most noticeable on the straights but if the driver has his settings right then on the infield as well.
In the previous generation the LRP SPX was king but then along came Tekin with the 203 software and the SPX (and all the others including my Speed Passion) were left wallowing – now there is a titanic struggle from the others to catch and pass the Tekin.
Tekin RS Pro. It’s reasonably priced but then you need to buy the Hotwire which is the connection between the speedie and your computer. The latest software is v203 and it’s the one you want if you are going stock or super stock. Once you have the v203 loaded there are decisions to be made around such items as Timing advance, Push conrtrol, Timing Boost, Turbo boost, Turbo delay etc etc. There is plenty of advice around the net about these settings but some trial and error at your local track will pay dividends when you get a car that responds the way you want and is fast enough where you want it. I ran one of these in Tasmania at the titles and I am sure my car was fast enough and very driveable. Once you get the hang of using the hotwire, adjustments are very easy to make – the downside is you really need a computer at the track.
Black Diamond. Haven’t used one and unlikely to as, for me, it’s too expensive. Have watched others use it and, from what I’ve seen, and from what I’ve read, is no quicker than a Tekin and no more reliable. There is a school of though that it might be better on short (indoor) tracks.
LRP SXX Stock Spec. This is the next step after the SPX and promises great things, better than Tekin ? We’ll have to wait and see. The first production run suffered some minor problems and LRP offered to fix any that were sent back to them. One Brisbane driver has done this but hasn’t got it back yet. Then there was version 2 which Brisbane drivers now have and are starting to use and trying to figure out the complexity of settings etc. One of the drawbacks at this stage is that the LRP is not upgradeable and will necessitate buying a new one each time there is an upgrade or IF there are any upgrades. I personally haven’t seen one going fast in stock yet but I’m sure I will in the next week or so – faster than a Tekin ? I don’t know but I’ll be watching carefully. You can more easily change settings without a computer at the track. There appears to be some argy bargy about where to send esc for updating and about whether there is a version 3 or not.
SPEED PASSION. There has been a delay from Speed Passion getting out a software package to rival the Tekin 203. A small patch came out called 107 but it wasn’t quite good enough. Now there is a Beta (test) version around that drivers are able to download to their LCD Program Card (if you have one – I do ) and then to their GT v2.00 speed control. Once the programme (230 for 17.5 or 231 for 10.5) is in the ESC you revert back to the little hand programmer that comes with the speedie for adjustments there are 15 available adjustments at this point. This is good because it means you can easily make adjustment at the track without needing a computer. Speed Passion have called their boost system a Supercharger rather than a Turbo but I am assuming it will do much the same thing. Better than a Tekin? Well we’ll have to wait and see some of us have the programme loaded and are just starting to mess with the settings so give us a couple of weeks of fine weather and we might know more. Seems that from a marketing point of view having a delay getting the software right might be better than what LRP appear to be doing.
NOVAK. I don’t know what’s holding up the release of Novaks new esc but I believe it will be adjustable through a computer link like Tekin and SP other than that I know nothing, but I’m certainly not prepared to write Novak off yet.
If you are in the business of buying a speedie right now, which way will you go Tekin have some runs on the board, LRP and SP are showing a lot of promise and there are others to numerous to mention.
Good Luck.
There are 2 possibilities surfacing at the moment (1)to take stock and super stock back to true spec classes and (2) to abolish all motor and driver classes within touring cars and just have one class.
Speed Passion have just released a non adjustable speedie (can be adjusted for drag brake only) and there is a suggestion that this step back is the way forward for spec classes. With certain changes to motor rules (around timing) this should be a good thing. Don’t want to go slower I hear some saying fast is good. well have a look at the other proposition.
The fastest growing and numerically most successful class over recent years has been 1/8th nitro buggy. There is one class there – one size fits all – you can’t come and say I’m a novice put me in a seperate class, or I don’t want to go as fast as those guys etc etc. There is only one class and maybe, we should learn from them and just have one class. Run whatever motor you want and go do your best – operators could seed the first heat and then have frequent regrades during the meet. The speed of Nitro Offroad Buggies hasn’t detered many novices from getting into it – why do we keep using that as an argument to keep classes like 540 and stock in 1/10th onroad.
Somethings to ponder on a wet Sunday afternoon.
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71 responses to “ESC wars in stock.”
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Hi Heavy,
Ran my new LRP SXX Stock Spec Mk2 at Bendigo Flight Centre Classic over the weekend, came Second in stock 😉 , only had the ESC for 1 week, and found some very good sweet spots, 1st place went to Luke who is a better driver then me. Qualified 2nd, upon the first main, the ESC cogged and the guy in second ran into the back of me, etc, until only 1st place got away… The entire field behind me hit each other in one massive mess… I am not happy with Mk2 because a minimum of 1 to 2 coggs per race occur, I wasn’t the most popular person around the track after stopping the entire field. Resumed the race in 6th place, and wound my way back to second. Overall the ESC is quick and easy to setup, smoother then the tekin and easier to rive, but Mk2 is no good. Apparently a Mk3 is now available, meaning I need to send my brand new ESC back to Germany… Not happy with LRP… very supprised they released Mk2 with a very obviously problem. I will be posting some comments with LRP very soon. LRP delayed Mk2 release after Mk1 was a failure, but still release Mk2 with problems
Some feedback for people just about to buy an ESC.
ESC Setup 3,3,7,2
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That’s interesting Jason,
What motor were u running?
As i’ve been running the Mk2 in 10.5 (duo2) for the last 2 weeks and have had no issues.
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Tim, I should have stated the motor, Speed Passion V3 17.5T. Reading on RCTECH, most people are having problems with Mk2 with cogging, I have tried motor timing and no motor timing.
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Hi Jason i have had cogging problems as well but it go’s away on a warm up lap this is with 10.5 but works fine with 17.5.it can happen 5 times during a race and it would still be my pick over the crap tekin.I’m keen on testing a speedpassion stock spec if any has one for me to abuse.
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Of the few laps I had with Bob S MkII it started to cog out of the slow corners around the 2 minute mark. Didnt get to continue as the rain fell. Will be interesting to see if the Bob V update from LRP is MkIII and is any better.
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Adrian, my stock spec still has not arrived. Hopefully tomorrow. I really hope it is the V3 from reading what you guys have posted. Now I am nervous. 😕 😕 Has anyone got a V3 yet ❓
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I spoke to soon, my SXX let the smoke out tonight
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Sounds tempting to go back to Modified. Rather than spend my $230 on speedies which may cogg or smoke or blow up every time you look at it, I could go to Mod with a speedy which would last two years and invest the money I saved, to replace my wear and tear items, Mmmm sounds good. 💡
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Is that not what I said to you on Saturday night Tony? I hate to say I told you so…..I personally do not agree with the 10.5t class. But that’s my opinion.
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Yes Lenny, I finally see your point of view. It has all made sence to me after reading all of the forums concerning the limits which are being pushed in the speedy war. What a gamble we as consumers take, whilst the speedy manufacters play russian roulette in stock, with our money. 👿
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Tim W, that’s bad news, any idea why the smoke got out? Too high a gear ratio? ESC should have shut down on over temperature, or maybe you connected it badly?
Tony L, I am starting to agree with that philosophy, the only fair class is Mod.
Don’t get me wrong guys, I think it is way better then the Tekin, smoother, better breaks, easy to setup, but Mk2 coggs. The cogging is not very obvious; it only happens occasionally, just enough to be annoying. The SXX ran all weekend, no smoke, and it helped me achieve second place against another 24 Stock cars. Lots of competition, with great drives, I had a slightly better consistency, but Luke’s car was faster. In Tasmania state titles two weeks ago I came 5th using a SPX, was beaten by 4 excellent Tekin drivers. I was able to bet the guy who won the Tas Title using the SXX… I am happy with the ESC, but disappointed LRP released a faulty product, and expecting us to return it back to there factory to software upgrade.
A friend of mine, used the Speed Passion ESC couldn’t get any speed out of it, he asked Ryan Maker to upgrade the software, then it started to fly. I am starting to see the benefits of a upgradeable speed controller. I haven’t worked out the costs of sending my ESC back to LRP, but the inconvenience of not having the ESC while it is being upgraded will be dreadful. Won’t be able to race a few weeks, which really sucks…
Might wait until Mk4 is available before I send it in, I can live with a few cogs for a month or so.LikeLike
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I’m a firm believer in control classes below open classes, currently enjoy my Gas, but I would also like to enjoy some Electric, but yeah some true ‘stock’ speedie changes would be nice, I read all this ESC wars stuff and it’s disturbing, at the same time I would not want the lesser classes to be dropped, surely there is always a need for classes with less wear and in theory less cost?.
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My Tekin is still going good – no smoke coming out of it yet – I have heard that it has happened to a couple as well as the LRP. I find that there is plenty of brakes in the Tekin and if you take some advice and try some settings you will get to a place that is good for you – and it is fast and in comparison to all the others, not too expensive. I’m still itching to get my Speed Passion working on the new soft ware, hope it will be up there.
Of course whatever speedie you use and however fast it is capable of, you still have to be able to learn to drive with the extra speed and power, I had a bit of a problem with that (driver not good enough syndrome) at Tassie in stock and probably will this weekend in 10.5 – but it’s good to have a fast car 😆 😆LikeLike
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TEKIN ROX!!! Heavy are you running F1 or stock tomorrow night? Bring your stock car if you can as I’ll be down there, we can compare our Tekins 😆
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Will probably have my F1 ready (if I have a sickie tomorrow) but will bring the TC and see what happens.
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Whatever happened to the fixed timing back in the brushed days. Now things have gone over the top I must say. It is a new this or a new that every 5 minutes. No more standard ESC for stock. You need the latest and greatest just to have a chance.
What about all the new/returning racers?? It is very similar to the 540 debate to go brushless. Looks like stock is the next casualty.
Take a look at who is racing stock and who has gone back to 540 because of the ESC constantly changing. The only winners are the manufacturers who sell more and more each time a new physical version is released.LikeLike
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So far, the slow reality is creeping in, we have the power, we have the battery life, there are now a flood of good race bred genes in 2nd hand chassis’ and it all leads to an open class where driving skill and track and chassis knowledge will prevail. All other classes will be subject to whoever has the latest speedies. The futire will then lend itself to speedy HARDWARE hop ups. While those pushing the TURBO modes and firmware managed non-linear timing will realise that capacitor wars will be next…
The same applies to gas touring, whoever can get their hands on the latest edge in power and is prepared to cook their engines for the sake of getting the power edge wins. Issues like boosting nitro content, indistinguishable cranks, air intake hidden mods or that LUCKY engine seems to have an edge that costs the rest of the field a lot more than it would in an open class where drivers simply acknowledge that the pointy end have the complete package, skill, race craft, strategy and kit.
Just like it’s too much to ask of scrutineering to remove a clutch system, flywheel puller and inspect cranks and bearings, remove carbys etc, it’s too much to ask for them to have a laptop complete with every speedie setup app and diagnostics.
AA, TW, DG and many others have acknowledged that OPEN classes seem to create more numbers and this is true in Pro Touring and offroad, I believe parity gap in spec classes seems to keep widening.
It changes little for Luke or Guy as the notion that we’ll ever win anything is a delusion, what keeps us going is simply improving and if a class has greater numbers then the placings have more relevance and drivers can create their own competition within their class and forget chasing the”big boys” and enjoy performing well their own level and driving to achieve PB’s
Speedy failures: Guessumption: My guess is that because the timing advance shortens the pulse and increases the charge from the capacitors, the capacitors are letting go and they make a horrible mess when they do.LikeLike
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I tried posting something earlier but for some reason it disappeared… so I’ll try and come up with a readers digest version..
The 1/8 buggy class isn’t an open engine class… all the buggies start with a particular size engine etc… the analogy for that in electric is the number of winds in the motor…. so to make Heavy’s example more correct, in my opinion, is to create a single class using an 8.5T motor as an example…
But my real feelings on the ESC subject is that we are trying to force the racing we are doing today to fit class structures that were created using different technologies… I haven’t raced Stock in ages… I race 17.5… and I think a lot of people are the same… I think that, instead of trying to force the racing and technology we use today to fit into classes that may no longer be relevant, we should be trying to create rules/classes that point to the future… especially as by the time anything can really be done most of the ESC’s on the market will be similar to the Tekin anyway…
As for something mentioned in a post that wasn’t here when I first tried to post… I am not sure how the future of electric is going to be ESC HARDWARE wars, in particulars capacitors??… brushless IS software.. the very essence of control of a brushless motor is the switching on and off of the coils inside the motor and this is done via FETS run by logic control and monitored by either Hall sensors or back EMF… The capacitors used on bruhless ESC’s are there to smooth the power supply (a MUST with any microprocessor) and help the whole unit run cooler… as far as I am aware most failures of BL ESC’s has been due to heat…
I can imagine the companies trying to push FET technology but as they already have FETS that can handle the current and speed required to run a 3T or less motor I don’t see that being an issue… more of an issue will be processor speed and the amount of space given over to software, memory etc… there is already talk that the next version of Tekin software will have some form of data logging…LikeLike
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While i agree with most of what Adrian says, I’m not sure the analogy of a max of X turns (I know Adrian just plucked 8.5 as an example) holds up when comparing to nitro “open” classes
Just as in nitro (max .21 capacity and some construction rules) the “Modified” or “open” motor electric class still have physical size limits and a range of construction rules. Within those tolerances/limits, manufacturers are free to make as much horsepower as they can. As is the case in GP, so it is in EP. Basic capacity/size/construction rules….but beyond that, make as much power as you can.
The other point to make about modified touring in particular is that with today’s horsepower and LiPo batteries, touring cars have finally reach the point where available power exceeds available traction (in most cases). Just as has been the case for EP offroad for years. The battle ground for esc/motor manufacturers in mod touring now will be in terms of smoothness, driveability and power management. Nobody is short of power, nobody struggles for run time – at last it’s all about how we manage the power we have, and how we tune the chassis to deal with it. Just as EP offroad has been for years.
I think Adrian’s point about redesigning classes in accordance with today’s technology is right. Before we get to the specifics of what future spec classes might look like though I think we do need to ask “why do we have spec classes?” Is it to allow people to compete on a reduce budget? or to mean more people can have the chance of being in and winning an A final? Or some other reasons?
If its budgetary, I guarantee its possible to race competitively in an open class on a reasonable budget. I don’t win many races these days, but that is skill related, not equipment related, and I don’t have much gear. I’m still running the same ESC I ran in 2007. How many spec racers can say that? I’ve had one (1!) new motor each year for the last three years. Again, how many spec racers can say that? I just replaced a 6 year old steering servo. In these days of control tyre races, tyre expenditure is no different in mod than spec. I get new tyres at major races (the allowable limit) and use those for clubbies until the next major race. Same as anyone racing at the front end of spec class. Same as most of the competitive guys in modified. My car might be a bit harder on differential and driveshafts that a spec class car, but that’s about it.
So I have to ask…..why have spec classes? Why not divide on some other basis? Novice, Sport, Pro?LikeLike
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I can say I am still using the first brushless ESC and motor combo I bought about 2 years. Up until the latest releases I wasn’t far off the front runners but now it feels like I am standing still mid straight.
Totally agree that we should be looking to renew the classes to current technologies but still need a limit/rule set.LikeLike
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I always like reading your stuff Scott… it always seems very well balanced and thought out…
I know my analogy wasn’t perfect when compared to real nitro… but I guess I was trying to reach an upper limit… all IC engines reach their HP limit at some stage… not being a Nitro expert any more I am not sure what the HP range would be, but if you looked at the HP range of electric motors it would be far wider than the range in the current crop of .21engines…
I also agree that its possible to run competitively on a budget… in fact I am STILL using a JR servo I bought when I first tried running mod and needed a fast servo… it has to be at least 7 or 8 years old… same for tires… I still have a new set from the last QLD titles locked in a bag… and if I was to try running mod again I would quite happily bolt back in the LRP motor and SP ESC I’ve been using since 2008…
The other thing I want to add is that I think a true “spec” class needs to be more tightly controlled than the Stock class of past years… part of the reason, I believe, that the whole Stock mess has gotten to where it is, is that it really was only a spec class based on a motor… nothing else was really controlled and even the motor was susceptible to a huge range of variations depending on who manufactured it… I think that’s why some classes in other countries, that have a much greater level of control – even down to gearing in some cases – have gained a fair amount of popularity because it creates a VERY level playing field as far as equipment and it comes back to driver skill and car setup…
I actually LIKE the the spec SP ESC but I don’t think its the answer to the current Tekin issue… but there is no reason it couldn’t be the basis of a new spec class if people want to go that wayLikeLike
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Adrian and Scott have some very valid points. In stock, yes we have a problem with technology reducing lap times rather than drivers reducing lap times. Scott I couldn’t agree more, grade drivers on their ability, e.g. sport 16-18laps, pro18+laps. Just an example. A driver can purchase a speedy for a respectable price to handle any motor, then as skill level increases, the driver can upgrade motor which is half the price and may place that driver in the next class above. Or untill the driver can qualify for the next class.
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So far it seems that all the local LRP SXX versions have struck trouble, smoking or cogging necessitating either buying something else or sending it back – with the attendant delay and cost. It’s rumoured there is a version 3 around so be interesting to see how that goes.
I’ve heard some Tekins have apparently smoked as well but at the moment it seems like the best option. I’ve still got the Speed Passion FREE upgrade to try yet – after the State Titles I’ll give it a go.LikeLike
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Adrian, thanks for the heads up on FETS.. Gonna take a little more time to learn about them and as for caps, I thought they store charge as a resevoir as well… Im more digital than electronic and you’ve enlightened more to learn and find what else may be cooked… thanks.
When referring to open, our onroad classes also has specifications for engines and size and they vary with the scales of models. What IC racing doesnt permit is variable timing, supercharging, turbocharging and a fixed fuel supply where you need pitstops. Timing our engines is managed in a linear method using glow plugs. One could assume that we could use a ESC to fire a spark plug in future thus creating variable timing but the rules are already in place to prevent that.
IC also limits the air intake diameters hence more regulations to prevent extreme differences in parity. This regulation has been implemented more strictly as drivers could in the past open up the chokes in the finals to get more speed and would have to trade off with additional fuel stops due to higher fuel consumption.
Here’s where EP seems to be in need of regulations and they’re trying but as you pointed out the rules are evolving from different technologies so we are in a transitional phase and I fear it will cause harm to the numbers in our sport. It may sound like a whinge, but I sincerely feel that it is irrational to allow for excess amounts of power supply in a battery (eg 5.2amps) and allow for the power supply to be included in the overall weight. Additionally we are modding thru software, so all classes are mod class now and it’s nothing like the linear timing of the past and includes turbo options etc.
I believe that specs classes should be governed by available power on board plus or minus an error margin to create efficiency in EP racing. The smoke we all refer too is surely an excess of current and too much of it on hand and it being used unwisely at great expense. Doing it thru tyres will just favour those with cash to throw at new sets every heat.
This may sound like my self centered view because we run 3800’s, but I can honestly say if the rules moved us closer to 10 minute heats then I’d either mod our car to fit a 5000 or change chassis. I believe EP should most definitely enter the challenge to get to 10 minutes and shift the craft of racing to a more efficient use of power rather than excessive amounts of power on tap.
When I referred to it as open class, my view was to create a class where power exceeds the tranmission’s ability to get in onto the track hence removing the “drive the speedy” and get back to driving the car. Scott articulated it nicely, and Luke races open/mod because the parity is more aligned with chassis setup than it is trying to create the horsepower. It’s proven its worth to us and took us a couple of years to manage the chassis to get the power to ground. This progression was a rewarding experience in itself and kept Luke satisfied by teaching him there’s room for improvement in our skill, not our bank account.
We too have a Novak 3.5 that scares us to the point that we wont use it, and we raced with a 6.5 for a while to help tune our chassis and now a simple Losi 4.5 does us fine, no smoke, no cooked motors or speedies.. no we arent at pointy end, but having a great time enjoying the good company and quality of racers in mod and it creates racing for us with the correct motives.
Yes we’ll be there in superstock at bayside, we’re just participating to create a bigger field and better spectacle. With any luck there’ll be some sub-level competition for us to enjoy.LikeLike
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Harry… from what I’ve read regarding BL ESC design, caps do little else that keep the power supply to the ESC relatively stable in relation to the demands of the motor… the ones supplied with most ESC’s are far to small to do more than a few milliseconds worth of difference… as for their ability to aid performance there was a comparison done not that long ago in car audio circles( where LARGE capacitors are used to assist with power supply requirements during transient response)… it was determined that by the time a capacitor is large enough to make a significant improvement it had become slower than the a battery was capable of delivering the same improvement… so I doubt you’ll suddenly see changes to capacitors in brushless ESC’s
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Hey Harry, Clinton will provide you with sub-level competition this weekend 😆
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The concept of spec racing is controlled racing to even out the playing field with respect to Cost and Performance.
In the Brushed motor days this was relatively easy with restrictions on the design of the motors. There were other factors but these had only marginal affect IMO. With the introduction of brushless, a lot of the principles that make a motor spin have moved from the motor to inside the Esc.
So by, only restricting the design of a brushless motor in a spec class is allows manufacturers to tamper with the motor performance from the Esc which by definition is affecting the concept of Spec Racing (cost and performance).
I see the only solution in the brushless world is to have governing bodies to restrict the design of “both” the motor and Esc… But this won’t happen over night…
Your Thoughts….
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I’m thinking aloud here, and betraying my lack of electronic knowledge…..but would it be possible to run an “in-line” current limiter, and would that make a difference? Classes could then be varied based on the allowable current.
eg (and I am definitely making these numbers up just for the sake of the thought) 20 amps for novice, 40 amps for “Clubman”, unlimited for modified.
I’m thinking a standardised device (compulsory) that limits current flow (and consequently performance). Any geniuses out there who know whether such a thing is even possible? Could it work?LikeLike
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I could just see Grasshopper now pining over how he could still make his wiring neat with this choking current limits bolted between his esc and motor.. wahahaha 😆 😛
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I am no electronics guru but I do have a decent understanding of power supplies, controlling voltages etc…
The problem with any sort of current limiter is doing something with the heat that is generated… and given the demands of the average RC application the heat generated would be quite substantial… also almost any current limiter reduces voltages as a by product of its operation… so in order to maintain the 7.2v we are all used to and most RC electronics use, most circuit designs recommend between 3 and 5v OVER the required output voltage…
Do a few sums and the heat dissipation needed starts at around 56W, but this doesn’t allow for ambient temperature etc which could lead to heat dissipation of 100W or more… this would require quite a large heat sink or fans etc which would make it quite bulky… the higher the current needed the worse it would get..
I heard you mention somewhere that some British classes limit battery capacity… that COULD be another way around it… lower capacity batteries by their nature limit the current available… there are several batteries lower than 3300mAh available but not hard case, but there may be ways around that as its possible that the case many battery manufacturers use (such as Yeah Racing, Harris etc) maybe be available…LikeLike
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My guess is that the overall current of variable timing systems remains the same. Pulse created by the speedy is shortened as its advanced, the overall effect could mean current throughput remains the same. Just guessing, would be cool to get an induction loop ammeter to see what goes on
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its no different than headshimming, gloplug choice, and similar methods in pullstart or whatever it is now.
Guys want to race and go faster. Its realy only the larger number motors that benifit from the timing advance to any real degree.
Make stock 13.5 and mandate a control tire.
Yeah,, if you have the coin you can run a new tire every round. But.. If your throwing down 50 bucks a meet plus on tires for club.. you can have that bit of plastic at the end.LikeLike
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I hate to sound like I am contradicting people all the time… but from what I am able to understand by reading several different sites dedicated to BL ESC design for different applications, timing advance is achieved and controlled by altering the phase of the pulses… it doesn’t change the length of the pulses…
Typically this is done by physically measuring the speed of the rotor but it appears (if I understand it all correctly) Tekin have come up with a software based method with calculation of the phasing done by calculating rotor speed based on information from the hall sensors… Thats IF I understand all the jargon correctly 😎
this could be part of the reason why the new LRP could be having issues if they haven’t got this part of their software correct..
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Hey All,
I have been running the SXX Stock Spec for the last couple of rounds since Tassie(was running a Tekin then) I have had three instances in which the speedy paused for a split second i.e. No power and then hit throttle again and all good. The LRP is certainly quick, I think its pretty close in straightline speed to the Tekin but it makes up for it through the corners. Alot smoother acceleration and better brakes to the Tekin.
i just hope they sort out the issues once and for all and I will send my speedy off to LRP to get it updated.
Anyways thats my experience so far……
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There are so many guys here with SXX to go back they are thinking about sharing an airbag and sending them all together.
Meanwhile the Tekins seem to be going on faultlessly. I’m very happy with mine, plenty fast and smooth and the best brakes I’ve ever had. Maybe a bit of messing to get the settings right in the first place but once you’ve got what you like it’s great.LikeLike
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SXX. 3.3.9,2 with 6.8 gear ratio with fan, 70 deg C getting faster. Chris B. What setup are u running at templestowe? Drop me a line? When are u going to run at brccc?
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Chris, forgot to ask, are u winning? Keep practicing, I’ll be at the vics, so it will be a fair race!
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Hey Jason,
I am running very different gearing to everyone else, 3.86 with the SXX Stock Spec, coming off at 70 degrees. My car is as quick as anyone else’s won the round previous and third this time, beaten by a couple of very quick guys 🙂
You will see me at the Vics but not in Stock, gonna have a run in Super Stock 🙂LikeLike
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Oooooo and you wont see me at BRCCC cause i hate breaking my car and getting hacked 🙂
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For all the guys with the LRP speedy this is the answer I got Back regarding the SXX SS.
You will send it to us here at the address below. Once we get it we will do the software update for you and send it right back to you.
Att Bill Martinez
Team Associated
26021 Commercentre Drive
Lake Forest, Ca 92630
Regards
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Hi Gary,
Thanks for the information, I purchased my SXX SS Mk2 from A-Main.com.au, they say to return it back to them and they will deal with it, but my guess is, they will send it back to LRP in Germany. I want to reduce the turn around time, so maybe I’ll send it to Team Associated. Do you know if it matters where you purchased it from? Where did you get the address from? Will they pay for the return freight? Do you have Bill Martinez email address so I can create some correspondence before I send it to him?
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Hi Jason
This is Bill’s email address, I did not ask him about who pays for the return freight, I hope they pick up the tab as it is LRP’s stuff up after all.
bmartinez@aeteam.net
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In the meantime my Speed Passion (3 years on) has just had a free upgrade and is coming out of the red corner ready for teh battle with Tekin and LRP
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Hi Gary, not sure if you have tried to e-mail me. The address I gave you is all lower case. If ok I will bring my speedy,with receipt on Sat night to bayside. Do we need to put in a short note of what the problem is with speedy, or do they just uprade the software. ❓
Hi Heavy, do you have any superchargers for hobbywing speedy ❓ 😕LikeLike
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Hey Tony – think Gary is going to Chargers on Sat night not Bayside
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Tekin is reporting that there will be a new version shortly and it supposed to be better than 203 😈
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and so it continues. we need to find a way to stop this.
next month? new new software from SP, then LRP releases v4, the Novak’s new ESC arrives, Tekin updates again.
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Tony L
I was going to ring you tonight, just give it to Dave, I will be sending them on Tuesday, they are paying the return postage cost.
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Thanks Gary, I will give speedy to Heavy on Saturday night. 😎
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Scott I agree… its not a great thing for spec racing… but that’s hardly what 17.5 is these days…
BUT is it REALLY that much different to the battery wars of not that long ago?… not really in my opinion and at least the software updates are free (or at least Tekin’s have been).
To be honest I don’t think there is a “stopping this”… the time for all that was early on before brushless became system of choice… and there WAS a time when it was possible to put the rules in place but everyone was blinded by hype surrounding BL’s advantages that it was all gung ho and get stuck in… now we’ve gotten into a situation we don’t like and everyone is screaming at everyone else to do something about it… but no one can come up with anything realistic because now that the market has seen the potential of what Tekin has done, every company and their dog is trying to get on the band wagon!
… and what really irritates me about the whole show ( and probably makes me sound egotistical) is that I remember having an almost exact discussion along these lines 5 or 6 years ago with the then organisers of the WA On-Road titles about their discussion with AARCMCC over whether or not letting BL race… the Novak SS had just started to make an impact and find their way into clubs, and I was aware of a fair number of more technical minded people in RC at the time looking at them and saying there was a huge amount of untapped potential in those BL systems and that there was a massive scope for adjustment and tuning once people started to explore it… and that just maybe BL shouldn’t be adopted “on face value” or at least should be kept separate from the brushed classes… but that attitude was called negative and conservative and pretty soon BL was showing up everywhere and everyone was saying how great is all was…
… and now here we are 👿
I still maintain the only way forward now is to look at where we want RC car racing to go in the future, the technology that is currently available and the direction IT’s going in, because (in like so many areas) the sad fact is that we no longer drive the market , and then formulate rules that will get us there… but there is certainly no point trying to make the rules of what is, essentially, a bygone era force fit today or tomorrow…LikeLike
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